This week’s Misfit Entrepreneur is Jonathan Jay. Jonathan is a serial entrepreneur. He dropped out of college at 19 to start his first business and since then he has built and sold businesses in everything from publishing and digital marketing to education. During the pandemic, he made 48 business acquisitions alone.
Jonathan is a prolific deal maker who has a passion for teaching others how to buy and sell businesses. Through his company, Dealmakers, he and his team have helped over 12,000 clients from beginner to seasoned entrepreneur succeed in finding, acquiring, and/or selling businesses. He is also the author of the best-seller, Business Buying Strategies. In the book he shares some of his best secrets on how to buy a business with no money and that is one of the many topics I want to focus on with him in this episode.
Jonathan dropped out of college at 19 to start a business. He spent several years bouncing around surviving as an entrepreneur. A few years later he had a publishing business that was doing OK when someone came along and offered to buy it and he realized that he would make money selling it than owning and operating it. This was an “aha” moment for him.
“In business, so many people are business operators who work every day to operate the business, where the real freedom and real money comes from selling businesses.”
Jonathan says that It is much easier to sell businesses that you have bought vs. built from scratch. Over the last 20+ years, he has sold companies and bought them. During the pandemic, he bought 48 businesses and has turned around distressed business making all the mistakes possible in his journey.
For the last 6 years, he has been teaching others how to buy their first while limiting the risk in doing so.
Why should someone consider buying a business vs. starting one?
How do you find a business to buy?
Where do you find motivated sellers?
What happens when you find a business owner that seems like a good fit?
At the 16 min mark, Jonathan walks through his negotiating technique.
How do you negotiate buying the business without putting all your own money on the line?
Talk to us about the mistakes you made and what you’ve learned…
What are 2 of the best lessons you’ve learned to succeed as an entrepreneur?
Tips to scale and grow a business?
Best Quote: In business, so many people are business operators who work every day to operate the business, where the real freedom and real money comes from selling businesses.
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Hello Misfit Nation! Welcome to another edition of "Lessons for Hannah!" Many years ago, I introduced a new format that alongside our regular episodes called “Lessons for Hannah.” Hannah is my daughter and one of the main inspirations for the Misfit Entrepreneur. I wanted to have a place where she could go and learn from her daddy and his Misfit friends throughout her life….even after I am gone. If you haven’t listened to the first episode of "Lessons for Hannah," I urge you to as it gives some more background and tells the amazing story of how Hannah came to be in our lives.
Lessons for Hannah are short, very useful, and sometimes comical lessons, that I want to share with you and give to Hannah to help in your lives. Because I want Hannah to have these for her life, I’m going to speak as though I am talking directly to her. These episodes are a lot of fun and if you think there is a lesson that we should include in these episodes, please don’t hesitate to send it over to us at support@misfitentrepreneur.com. We’d love to share it.
Hannah, Recently, I was reminded of two very important lessons in life. In fact, a lot of people around the world were. The first lesson is that you have to earn the right to reach high levels of success in anything you do. Nothing good comes easily if it is destined to last. The second thing is that there is one exception to that rule. Let’s start with the first lesson. You have to earn the right to reach high levels of lasting success. Recently, the world was reminded of this lesson in a big way. A major investment firm for cryptocurrency called FTX went bankrupt in the span of just a couple days losing billions of dollars of investors’ and clients’ money almost overnight. FTX was once considered a darling of the financial world with top financial pundits calling its founder and CEO, Sam Binkman-Fried, the next Jamie Dimon who is the famous and very well -respected CEO of Chase. FTX rose to prominence very quickly on a slick marketing strategy paying out millions to celebrities to hype it and also by donating a significant amount to politicians’ campaigns. As such, everything looked great, and the company bought itself some pull in Washington DC because of its donations. In fact, Sam Binkman-Fried, at just 30 years old, was the 2nd largest donor behind George Soros to the Democratic party. He also donated to Republicans.
Why am I telling you this? Because no one really got below the surface on FTX. All the major investors and even clients saw the celebrity endorsements and the support from politicians and just fell emotionally in love with the company’s story eloquently told by Sam Binkman-Friend when in reality, the company was a scam and in shambles. In fact, now as regulators are beginning to review the internals of the company and its entire setup, they are aghast at what they are finding and calling it maybe the worst they’ve ever seen. And now so many people who invested into the company and clients who put their trust in it have lost everything, It’s very sad. No one looked deeply under the hood on the company and when they finally did, those who saw how bad it was, quickly took everything out causing the collapse to accelerate. And it looks like Sam was taking funds of clients and funneling them to himself and other companies he owned without clients knowing. And incredibly, still to this day, no one, not even Sam, has been arrested.
The FTX scandal is a great example of not earning the right. While Sam Bankman-Fried found success for a short period of time, the house of cards everything was built on came crumbling down. There was no real foundation other than a great story, celebrity endorsements, and essentially buying off politicians to look the other way. Sadly, this happens a lot in all areas of life. People try to take the shortcut or fake their way to high levels of success. Sometimes they get there, but it doesn’t last because as they become more successful and get on a bigger stage, more people take notice, and eventually someone who is smart and has earned the right to their levels of successful figures it out and brings the truth to light.
Hannah, in anything you want to be great at. You must put in the work, the study, gain the experience, and earn the right to each level of success. And you must be willing to play the long game reaching those levels over time. As I noted earlier, this is true for everything worth doing in life except one thing – Getting into heaven. Wait, what? Stay with me for a few minutes…
The Apostle Paul once wrote: “It is by grace that you have been saved.”
What did he mean, by “grace.” He meant that you are saved by the grace of Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross. You see, not matter what you do, you can’t be good enough to get into heaven. You cannot get there through good works. Essentially, you cannot earn your way into heaven. Jesus spoke to this in the story of the rich man where he said it is easier for a rich man to go through the eye of a needle than to get into heaven. The rich man had kept asking Jesus what he could “do” or how he could “earn” his way to heaven. What the man did not realize, and Jesus was trying to tell him was that he couldn’t, no matter what he did. Remember, this was prior to Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross. And it was true. Prior to Jesus’ sacrifice, very few if anyone could get into heaven. That was the point of Jesus coming and for his sacrifice – that through him, by believing in him and accepting him as one’s savior, he became the vehicle, the vessel in which one could get into heaven.
Now, I realize that it is a big shift to go from a failed crypto exchange to the lord and savior, but I really wanted to give you a big contrast with which to understand this lesson. And to sum it up. First, realize that you cannot earn your way into heaven without truly accepting Christ as your savior. Yes, you still should do good works and follow God’s message and commandments, but without Jesus, heaven is not possible. In fact, without Jesus many things are not possible. At the same time, in your earthly pursuits, while you are here, you will do well to earn the right to your success and not try to fake it or look for the easy way which is sometimes the unethical way. Keep your principles, work hard and smart, and put in the time necessary to become great and you will be.
I love you,
Dad
Best Quote: You have to earn the right to reach high levels of success in anything you do. Nothing good comes easily if it is destined to last.
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Hello Misfit Nation! This is a special Thanksgiving episode where it is just me and you. Let me first start off by saying how Thankful I am for all of you and for all of your support of the show. It truly is incredible how much we’ve done together and the impact you’ve helped have on people lives.
I get a lot of emails from listeners of the show. Some are to suggest topics or guests, others give me thoughts from listeners on episodes, and I get a lot messages with questions about business and entrepreneurship.
As I thought about coming up on our 8th year doing this podcast, it occurred to me that I’ve never done an episode, where I just answer questions from the audience – and what better time to do that than at Thanksgiving, so that is what we are going to do today in this episode.
I’ve selected 10 of the top, most asked questions I get asked from you and am going to endeavor to give my best answers to help you.
Best Quote: What is the #1 trait of the most successful entrepreneurs? They believe in themselves and that no matter what happens, they will be ok.
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This week’s Misfit Entrepreneur is Eliot Marshall. Eliot is a former Brazilian Jujitsu title holder and UFC fighter turned entrepreneur. After retiring from UFC in 2011, he co-founded the Easton Training Center, a globally renowned martial arts school specializing in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Muay Thai kickboxing.
Easton has expanded to 7 locations across Colorado. It currently employs over 150 employees and does over $6 million a year in revenue.
Additionally, Eliot is also the host of the Gospel of Fire Podcast, sought after public speaker, and best-selling author of The Gospel of Fire: Strategies for Facing Your Fears, Confronting Your Demons, and Finding Your Purpose. And it’s these things in addition to the lessons learned in building his business that I want to dig into with him today.
Eliot says that he was very lucky. It started with being born to 2 amazing parents in the USA. From there, it was a lot of failure. He first wanted to be a pro- basketball player and he failed. The he wanted to be the Brazilian Jujitsu world champion and failed. He then wanted to be an MMA champion and failed there. But, he has succeeded at staying in the game and using his failures to get himself to success.
Talk to us about why you think you are so lucky?
You have a chapter in your book called “Why the F$%k vs. What the F$%K,” explain what that means…
How does someone find their power?
You went through some mental health challenges. What did you learn to overcome them and how did you do it?
When did you have your breakthrough and choose to change?
Talk to us about the habits you have developed that help you succeed.
Talk to us about breaking through your mental limits….
Lessons learned from competing in MMA that have helped you in life and business?
You built a very large multi-7 figure business that is based in a close contact sport. How did you make it through the pandemic and what principles have you use to build it?
“You can be a victim or you can be a victor. Things either happen to you or happen for you.”
Best Quote: You can be a victim or you can be a victor. Things either happen to you or happen for you.
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This week’s Misfit Entrepreneur is Peter Vekselman. Peter is known as a real estate legend. He has been a leader in the real estate industry for over 30 years and has done over 3600 deals.
Today, Peter leads a team of real estate professional doing deals all over the country through his company Partner Driven. The company is unique in that Peter provides the system and even the capital for his partners on the ground in the markets where they do deals. Partner Driven does all the support and works with partners through every stage from identifying the right real estate opportunities all the way through to sale.
But I did not invite Peter on just to talk about this unique model and real estate, I had to have him on the pick his brain on everything he’s learned in such a successful entrepreneurial career.
Peter is an immigrant. His family escaped the USSR during the cold war. He was young and did not know he even coming to the US until he was on the plane. His parents taught him that he had to make it happen for himself. He grew up pretty normal, but had a lot of trouble in school. He did go to college, but couldn’t get a job. He turned the only thing he could do, his own thing. He got into the vending business, then network marketing industry. He had his first big success in merchant services. This is where he really started to understand entrepreneurship. He felt like kind of an imposter, as he didn’t know much about the industry. He just hit things at the right time with the right people. He sold his shares of the business to cash out and then go into real estate investing.
He learned the lesson of making sure to understand the industry and initially got started in mobile homes and did well. He became the larges mobile home broker in Georgia until the bottom fell out and financing dried up. He then pivoted to investing in real estate. He thought he understood it because of his experience in mobile homes, but he didn’t and within about 6 months, he had lost everything and was living out of the back of his car.
That is when he met his first real mentor. Two years from that point, he made his first million dollars. Over that period her learned the value of alignment and the ins and outs of real estate investing. Now 22 years later, he has succeeded doing over 3600 deals.
What was the catalyst that took you in two years from living in your car to having a million in the bank? What did the mentor teach you?
Take us through your business model and how you create alignment…
What are the risks in the model?
What do you look for in a partner?
Thoughts about the real estate market in general? Where are things going?
Talk a little about perseverance and what you can teach us from your experience.
There is no journey that happens without misfires, dead-ends, massive challenges, etc.
Best and most important habits that you have developed that help keep you successful?
Any advice for entrepreneurs just starting out?
Best Quote: Creating win-win synergies for those involved that have complementary skills that align is the secret to succeed.
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This week’s Misfit Entrepreneur is Jeff Johnson. Jeff is a wealth adviser with Buckingham Strategic Wealth and the author of One Decade to Make Millions, A Strategy to Maximize the Power of Your Twenties.
When I heard the title of the book, I knew I had to talk to Jeff to learn what he was teaching people in their youth to do to retire wealthy, but I also was interested in what people who maybe didn’t get off to as a good of a start in their early years building wealth, can do now to make a difference in their years to come.
Needless to say, Jeff’s practical advice and easy to understand actions can help anyone looking to improve their wealth make a difference for themselves. And I’ve asked him on to share all that he can to help you do so.
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Jeff has been on the financial services world for over 40 years. He has learned from the clients he worked with over the past 4 decades and noticed traits of those that were most successful. Much of this is what he wrote about in his book. One of the biggest things they did was maximize their 20’s.
Jeff became passionate about helping young people when he taught a personal finance class Nebraska.
Share the story about the bookkeeper and the surgeon…
Why do you think we don’t teach financial education and wealth building in our school system?
What is someone’s 20s so critical to financial success?
5 steps to take control of your financial future?
You say, “money is not important.” Explain that….
Actions people can take right now to start putting these principles into practice?
Let’s talk more about people later in life. Say someone is “late to the party in their 30’s and 40’s,” what can they do to make a difference?
At the 33 min mark, we have a great discussion about “expanding your means.”
Anything else that you think is important?
Lessons from your entrepreneur journey?
Best Quote: Money itself is not important. It allows you to do the things you want to do and provide a better life. So, it’s not the money. It’s what it allows you to do that matters. That is where the value is.
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Hello Misfit Nation! Welcome to another edition of "Lessons for Hannah!" Many years ago, I introduced a new format that alongside our regular episodes called “Lessons for Hannah.” Hannah is my daughter and one of the main inspirations for the Misfit Entrepreneur. I wanted to have a place where she could go and learn from her daddy and his Misfit friends throughout her life….even after I am gone. If you haven’t listened to the first episode of "Lessons for Hannah," I urge you to as it gives some more background and tells the amazing story of how Hannah came to be in our lives.
Lessons for Hannah are short, very useful, and sometimes comical lessons, that I want to share with you and give to Hannah to help in your lives. Because I want Hannah to have these for her life, I’m going to speak as though I am talking directly to her. These episodes are a lot of fun and if you think there is a lesson that we should include in these episodes, please don’t hesitate to send it over to us at support@misfitentrepreneur.com. We’d love to share it.
This Week’s Lesson for Hannah
Hannah, In this episode, I want to give you 5 simple pieces of everyday wisdom. I have a lot more than 5 but will continue to create episodes like this into the future giving you them a few at a time.
After doing these episodes for so many years, I’m amazed at how much there is still to teach and share with you. It seems like it never ends and that is the thing, I don’t think it really does. There will always be something for me to share and give to you and I hope that you can take as much as you can from these episodes to help you in your life.
With that said, here are 5 pieces of everyday wisdom you can use…
#1: How You Do Anything is How You Do Everything
You’ve heard me say this to you before but let me explain it a little more here. In life, you want to do things to the best of your ability. You want to put your best foot forward in everything you do. That is the essence of How You Do Anything is How You Do Everything. It is taking pride in all you do and doing it at your best. Whether it is cleaning your room or the work that you or the interactions you have with others, do not short-change yourself or your abilities. If you start to lower your standards in one area it will bleed into others. Make it a mission to be your best in all things.
#2: What Feels Most Uncomfortable is Probably What You Need to Do
You will find in life that many times when it feels most uncomfortable to do something, that is most likely the best time to do it. For example, in trading, some of the most uncomfortable trades I have made over the years have been the biggest winners. In racing Ironman, when my body wants to quit the most is when I have my biggest breakthroughs as I keep going. In business and life, standing up for the right thing in face of everyone else shying away from it, is uncomfortable, but what needs done. That brings me to my next piece of wisdom.
#3: Most of the Time, the Simplest Answer is the Right One.
We make things a lot more complicated than they have to be. Einstein said, “Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.” The best path is usually the simplest and most straightforward one. We have to cut out all the noise and see it for what it is. In short, go with gut. Keep it simple.
#4: Beware Following the Herd
When I talk about the “herd,” I’m really talking about groupthink. When everyone thinks the same thing and will not allow any dissent, discussion or questioning of that way of thinking – they are probably wrong. Thomas Jefferson once said, “Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.” Don’t fall prey to blind-folded fear and follow the herd over the cliff. Instead work from a place of reason andlogic and thing things through. Don’t let emotion alone drive your actions or decisions, especially the big ones.
#5: There are Few Things Guaranteed in Life, but the Ones That are – the Love of Your Family, The Love of God, and a Few Lasting Friendships, are worth every ounce of time and energy you invest in them.
I think that pretty much says it. You have a family that loves you, a God that loves you, and in life will have a few lasting friendships. Cherish them and invest your time into them. Don’t neglect them.
Hannah, and everyone else listening, these are 5 simple, but powerful lessons that will serve you well in life. Live them and embody them and put them to work for you.
I love you,
Dad
Best Quote: There are Few Things Guaranteed in Life, but the Ones That are – the Love of Your Family, The Love of God, and a Few Lasting Friendships, are worth every ounce of time and energy you invest in them.
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This week’s Misfit Entrepreneur is Casey Cavell. Casey is a serial entrepreneur that started his first business at 21 and then went on to start, buy, or invest in over two dozen businesses over the last 15 years, worth over $17 million.
Because of his success and selling some of his businesses, he followed his passion to help other entrepreneurs by creating Legacy 4:12 an entrepreneurial team of advisors, mentors, investors, and experts who are called to serve the growth-minded entrepreneur.
If that is not enough, Casey has been an investor, advisor, and influential figure in the NFT community, assisting project founders and community leaders. Casey is a member of the Bored Ape Yacht Club, VeeFriends, Gutter Cat Gang, and several other high-profile NFT communities.
This is one of those interviews where we can cover the whole realm of the entrepreneur spectrum and I look forward to doing just that.
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Casey grew up with an entrepreneur father seeing the freedom that his dada had. But, he also saw the ups and downs. He knew he could learn from his dad’s experience, so he studied them and got the entrepreneur bug. Casey went to college to play baseball, but got hurt and decided to play and compete in Texas Hold’Em. He studied the game and starting out lost his money. But, realized that the game is really about longevity and the longer you can stay in, the easier it is to win. You are not playing against the casino, you are playing against other players, so your odds are better.
It's the same in business. If you develop a good strategy and surround yourself with the right people, you can succeed. He went to do very well playing Hold’Em and became the youngest player in the World Series of Poker. But he realized he didn’t want to work for money – he wanted his money to work for him. So, he started investing in businesses. As Casey says, he is a “turnaround guy.” He takes businesses that need to improve their systems and processes and works with them. He did that heavily for about a 10 year period and in 2011, he was able to exit one of his businesses and follow a passion to own a sport business. He bought a franchise called DBat in Atlanta, Ga. He did it buy simplifying the business model, taking care of his customers and taking care of his employees.
But he got burned out. He was doing everything and needed to remove himself from the day to day. It was at this time that he learned about the EOS Model and found an integrator to partner and help him run the business. This allowed them really scale and spend less time in the business.
At the 7:30 mark, we talk about the EOS model and the importance of the Visionary/Integrator duo. How were you able to start, buy, build and run 20 businesses over 15 years?
Any type of business that you gravitate to more than others?
How do you find your businesses that you buy or invest in?
Once you have invested in or bought a business, besides the EOS framework, are there any other processes or systems you have found that are important to implement?
What is the reason most businesses fail?
Thoughts on the long game?
Building a team is one of the most important things you can do. Talk to us about what we should know?
Step by step process to position a business to stand out?
How does a business create the unique offer that gets people in the door?
How does an entrepreneur remove themselves from a business?
What other lessons can share from your entrepreneur journey?
What surprised you the most on your journey to this point?
What is your best advice for entrepreneurs just starting out?
Best Quote: People are either spending their time working on things that they are good at, but don’t like doing, or like doing but not good at. The key to succeed as an entrepreneur is to get out of doings you don’t like, even if you are good at it. If you don’t you will burn out.
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This week’s Misfit Entrepreneur is Chris Croner. Chris is an entrepreneur and sales psychologist with a Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology. He is the founder of SalesDrive which has helped over 1400 companies select and develop high-performance salespeople using their methods and assessment technology.
Chris is also the co-author of the best-selling book, Never Hire a Bad Salesperson Again.
I am excited to have Chris on because sales and selling is one of the topics I am very passionate about. Sales are the lifeblood of a business and great salespeople who are devoted to the success of their companies are diamonds in the rough that every entrepreneur should be seeking. Chris has developed the methodology to find and hire them.
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Chris’s background was in clinical psychology, and he specialized in providing consulting to businesses management. He started at a firm called Whitmer and Associates which specialized in executive assessment. When companies wanted to hire key leaders or new CEO’s, they would hire firms like Whitmer with people Chris that would evaluate them. During this time, he worked to design something as rigorous as the evaluation for executives for salespeople because they are such integral role to the success of a business.
In October of 2002, he began doing that work and then in 2005, he went out on his own and founded SalesDrive and published the first edition of Never Hire a Bad Salesperson Again in 2006.
For over 20 years, he has been obsessed with studying what makes a great salesperson.
What makes a great salesperson?
Any other uncommon traits you have found that entrepreneurs should looking for when hiring?
At the 10 min mark, we talk about how athletes many times lend themselves to the role. But, it is important to look at how they succeeded as athletes and their work ethic compared to their peers as an athlete.
What does it mean to be Driven?
Talk to us about personalities. What personality types or combinations work out best?
I’ve heard you say that resumes lie, and salespeople can do their job in the interview process, tell us more about that and what we should be looking for in the interview process…
Is there a framework that you can share to run a better interview process?
Where are the best places to find great salespeople?
What about hiring a sales leader or manager? What should an entrepreneur look for there?
What are some of the biggest lessons you’ve learned on your own entrepreneur journey?
Any advice for the entrepreneur when it comes to them selling personally?
Best Quote: There are 3 non-teachable characteristics that are far more important to look for to find a great salesperson - the need for achievement, competitiveness, and great optimism.
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This week’s Misfit Entrepreneur is Judy Wilkins-Smith. Judy is a world-renowned Systemic Work and Constellations Expert, Fortune 500 Executive Coach, and Author of Decoding Your Emotional Blueprint: A Powerful Guide to Transformation through Disentangling Multigenerational Patterns.
Basically, Judy can teach you how to decode your programming and look at the patterns from your ancestors to see if you have the DNA of an Entrepreneur and more importantly how you can learn to become a better entrepreneur.
Wouldn’t you want to know what your past generations can tell you about your future as an entrepreneur? I do and find this topic fascinating, so I asked Judy to come on and help us better understand the impact of our ancestors on our lives.
Judy was born and raised in South African and moved over to the US with her family for the opportunity. Her father was killed shortly after they arrived. She started to study and decided to write books and stumbled onto the topic of understanding what is past down in behavior from ancestors. She met a mentor who helped her to better understand the topic and as she says, “Never looked back.”
She started working with and helping individuals and companies came to her asking if she could help their companies and executives in the area of pattern recognition and performance improvement.
We all know about ancestry.com and other companies like that, but that is just scratching the surface. What can entrepreneurs learn from their ancestors about their entrepreneurial DNA?
How can an ancestor, from say the 1300s, have an impact on me now?
Explain epigenetics in more detail. How does it affect things like our attitude and world view?
How do we identify programming that may be holding us back? And how do we change it to what we want?
“99% of the time, you, the entrepreneur are not an imposter. You are a pioneer. So, don’t feel like you are ever an imposter” You don’t have the answers, but you are willing to go look for them and figure it out. Pioneer.
At the 17 min mark, Judy talks about “systemic work.”
Is there a set of steps that someone can follow when they feel they are pulled back into the comfort area?
Talk to us about Desire…
How does someone use systemic work to help them on their entrepreneur journey and reach their potential?
What are constellations and why are they so effective?
Other advice?
Thoughts on victimhood/victimology?
Best Quote: You, the entrepreneur are not an imposter. You are a pioneer. You may not have the answers, but you are willing to go look for them and figure it out. Pioneer.
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