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The weekly podcast with serial entrepreneur, Dave M. Lukas, devoted to giving you incredibly useful and unique insight from the world's top entrepreneurs with a focus on their non-traditional methods for achieving success, their Misfit side. Misfit was created to give YOU the breakthrough entrepreneurship strategies and actionable advice to accelerate your success! The show's open format and Misfit 3 concept, combined with Dave's intuitive and engaging interview style quickly uncover each guest's key tools, tactics, and tricks that listeners can start using in their lives right now. Learn more about the show at and become a member of Misfit Nation by signing up for the Misfit Minute, the FREE weekly email with specific resources from the week's "Misfit 3," and actionable tips and items from the world of Misfit Entrepreneurs. It is delivered every Friday to your inbox!
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The weekly podcast with serial entrepreneur, Dave M. Lukas, devoted to giving you incredibly useful and unique insight from the world's top entrepreneurs with a focus on their non-traditional methods for achieving success, their Misfit side. Misfit was created to give YOU the best, actionable advice to accelerate your success!

The show's open format and Misfit 3 concept, combined with Dave's intuitive and engaging interview style quickly uncovers each guest's key tools, tactics, and tricks that listeners can start using in their lives right now.

Learn more about the show at and become a member of Misfit Nation by signing up for the Misfit Minute, the FREE weekly email with specific resources from the week's "Misfit 3," and actionable tips and items from the world of Misfit Entrepreneurs. It is delivered every Friday to your inbox!

Feb 14, 2018

This week’s Misfit Entrepreneur is Dana Malstaff. Dana is the founder of the Boss Mom movement. It all started with her best-selling book, Boss Mom: The Ultimate Guide to Raising a Business and Nurturing Your Family like a pro. Today, Boss Mom is a company serving other boss moms all through the world through programs, events, and the wildly popular Boss Mom podcast.

Dana has been featured everywhere from Fast Company to INC, and I have been fortunate to share the stage with her. She brings an energy, passion, and insight that few can rival.

She has built an amazing community and systems for her business that allow it to continuously scale and those are just a few of the many items I want to cover with her today.

Dana says her story isn’t unique, but I’ll let you be the judge. When she started she felt like she was alone, but also felt like her story had to be other people’s stories. So, she had to share it. She became a mom and an entrepreneur on the same day, literally. The day she quit her job, she conceived her son.

Dana says that owning children and owning a business is so similar to raising children. They grow the way babies do and give you all of the fits, challenges, tribulations, feelings of not knowing what you are doing…and everything in-between.

She felt really alone because none of her friends were doing what she was doing. She went through her first year having a success and a ton of failures both as an entrepreneur and a mother. It wasn’t until a little after a year in, when she moved to San Diego and was surrounded by an environment where others were like her and building businesses while being parents, that things started to click.

Being in this environment made her stop feeling alone and different, but invigorated. As she began to network and meet other entrepreneur-moms, she realized that the majority of them didn’t really know how to truly build or run a business.

That is when she decided to write Boss Mom and start the movement because that is what she is good at – building a business operationally and strategically.

Once the book was published, it took and the movement did as well.

What is the best piece of advice you would give all Boss mom’s out there?

  • Follow your gift, not your passion – especially when monetizing your business.
  • Your gift is the thing that comes easily to you
  • It is the genius of how you operate and the thing that you do better than everyone else
  • This is what you are meant to be executing
  • When you begin to work in the space of your gift, the success comes and gives you the ability to follow your passion as well

What was the first day at Boss Mom like?

  • Technically Boss Mom is Dana’s 3rd business/brand. It took multiple iterations to get it right and create a good brand.
  • Your brand is massively important
  • The first day was sheer panic not knowing what to start first…
  • Dana spent her first week looking at what others are doing in their business and taking things that she liked
  • She was learning the important things she needed to be taking and putting together to create the business
  • Modeling is a great way to get ahead – it is ok to copy and innovate
  • On the first day of “Boss Mom” she immediately got help
  • Visibility is the #1 thing in the beginning – your brand should be everywhere you are, featured wherever you can be, get on every podcast and outlet you can.

Quick Tip: At the 14-min mark, Dana talks about the “buttons” she uses on her website and the interesting names she gives them and why. Her tip could really help the engagement on your website.

Take us through how you learned to scale Boss Mom and how others can use what you’ve learned:

  • Make a business plan – it is your map (Hire someone to help you)
  • What is your purpose, what is your why?
  • Financial, Environmental, Emotional Future?
  • Your Tribe – your community
  • Then you map out your tangibles (Your money engine)

At the 18-min mark, Dana walks through the above in detail and talks about the difference between “Dream-makers” and “Deal-Breakers”

At the 24 min mark, Dana talks about creating your “Movement Manifesto.”

Answer the following of yourself:

  • Decide on 3-10 “I believes"
  • Next ask yourself, “I want to live in a world where…” •
  • Ask yourself, “This is what I know to be true…”
  • The last thing is to put it into a motto or call to arms – and in this, you find your why

At the 26:40-mark, Dana gives her manifesto/motto Facebook groups, you’ve cracked the code.

What is the strategy you can teach Misfit Nation to maximize their use in growing a business?

  • Dana spends a good amount of time talking about this at 28 min mark
  • Don’t look at it like a Facebook group – It’s a community
  • Decide what kind of environment you want - think of it like a company culture

What is allowed, not allowed, how will people feel valued and part of the system?

  • You are building a culture and if you do it right, you will be known for it and it will thrive
  • It has to provide a way for people to grow their business and get results

First 2-3 steps for newbies:

  1. Decide on the rules
  2. Brainstorm 5-10 conversation starters in which people can’t help to engage in
  3. Create content to have them help you decide on how the group will feel and work
  4. Ask 5-10 people you know to join the group and engage with members.

Other tips on building a tribe?

  • Stop thinking you are the “head”
  • Allow others to take ownership and empower them to be a part of it
  • Be a leader, not a host
  • By creating micro-influencers and raising others up, you will be raised with them.

At the 35-min mark, Dana gives her blueprint for the “Free to Paid” Journey Advice for an entrepreneur starting out today and for a seasoned entrepreneur?

  • If you are starting out – please do not be an island
  • You should not be doing everything on your own – even if you can. You want to be known for one thing. Focus.
  • If you are more seasoned – it is all about tweaking and refining.
  • How can you go back in and double the revenue from everything you are doing now?

Most important thing you’ve learned about yourself?

The journey is what is most important, not the outcome


Best Quote: “The learning is in the doing…It’s not about clarity. It’s about the direction and the framework.”


Misfit 3:

  1. Live your brand. Pick a brand that you literally want to wear and be in it.
  2. Take in the information you can around you, but make it your own. Nothing is new – it is just re-invented with a different perspective. Own it and find that for you.
  3. Be decisive. Take action, make decisions and execute.
Feb 7, 2018

This week’s Misfit Entrepreneur is Steve Olsher. Steve is known as America's reinvention expert. He has done it all. From being one of the early web entrepreneurs in the 90’s to creating massive financial deals to being a best-selling author, top influencer and radio personality – there is little that has he as not accomplished. I’ve gotten know Steve well over the last year and was even honored to attend and present at his New Media summit.

But, like many entrepreneurs, how Steve got to where he is full of twists, turns, and incredible lessons on how to succeed and win in life. He’s helped tens of thousands of people all over the world recognize and maximize their “what,” their singular gift that they can use to turn their dreams into reality.

Steve is known as Mr. Bold and after our time together today, I think you’ll understand why.

Get a FREE copy of Steve's #1 NYT Bestselling book at

Steve says he got to being where he is by being a Misfit. His journey has been full missteps in a lot of ways. It these missteps that he credits with getting him where he is at.

At the 6 min mark, Steve tells the story of how he started in the web in the early 90’s creating some of the first online stores and secured the domain In 1998, he bought for $7500 which was a good amount of money for web address back then. By March 2000, they were doing millions in sales and were ready to IPO the company.

It was bad timing as the markets literally crashed and by this time, Steve had signed away the bulk of his control to Wall Street. He gave up his management rights. And then when the company couldn’t go public, he was stuck holding the bag with his hand completely tied. After 9 years of hard work, he walked away from everything.

In 2005/2006, he tracked down the domain and convinced the owner and get it back after a long process and reclaim it. He then put it up for sale and got an offer for $4.25 million, which he took, only to have to buyer default after a couple payments. So, he took the domain and rebuilt the company around it to what it is today.

He uses this as a lesson that if you stay the course and pursue your goal, it will eventually work out. It may not work out as you planned, but it will work out for you.

At 13 min mark, Steve tells the story of how he got into the real estate markets. After walking away from, he got into real estate development. He would buy older buildings, refurbish them, and then turn them into different types of developments and did it up to 2008/2009. Once everything imploded in that world, he had to give properties back to the bank, go through litigation for over 5 years, and lost almost everything.

You can reinvent your life on a dime.

You must answer the core question of “What is your what?”

  • What is your core gift?
  • What is the primary vehicle you will use to share that gift?
  • Who are most compelled to serve?

Many people are spending their time support other people’s “what” and that adds up to a tremendous amount of time you cannot get back, so figure out what is your what and focus your time to get it.

How does someone get the true answer of their “what?”

  • There is a framework
  • Start with taking a look at who are the people you most enjoy being around, working with, and helping
    • This is the best place to start to get an understanding of who you want to serve and the type of work you truly want to do.

What is the most important thing you’ve learned about how to succeed along the way? What is the most important thing you’ve learned about yourself?

  • It boils down to one thing – Having that one thing that you are focused on.
  • Focus on finding and doing one thing that you were born to do for now
  • Do whatever you can to give yourself fully to that one thing for a period of time, you’ll be amazed at the results you can generate. Go all in.
  • You can do different things, but at the time there is one that is most important and where you need to fully focus on.

Other advice?

  • Create your day by design
  • It is very easy to just let your days to go by
  • Be deliberate about your day and your life
  • It is amazing how much we can ge tdone in 2-3 days with focus – more than most can do in a week
  • Ask yourself what you want to be doing with your time and ask yourself if there are better ways to accomplish your work.

Best advice to succeed and build a business today?

  • In order to truly help people, consult, and help people work through challenges, you have to have gone through them and experience them as an entrepreneur
  • You can then share the knowledge you have to truly help people
  • You have to earn the right to help people
  • We should teach what it is that we know
  • You will hit a ceiling of limitations based on your experience – realize that and work with people that are “the 2nd grader to your 5th grader”
  • Don’t be what you are not

Thoughts on creating and maximizing a niche?

  • You will be amazed at far you can take a niche and how big of a market it can be
  • Create a business around who you are most compelled to serve
  • Pick the one the one thing that creates the fire in your soul

Steve uses a great example of niche in this section starting at the 41 minute mark

Best tips to grow an audience and get found?

  • There is no magic bullet
  • You have to say yes to every opportunity that you can to gain visibility
  • Everywhere you are adds up for you over time

Final advice?

At some point, you have to move beyond free.

You can’t cheap it out

You will need to invest in education, mentorship, or coaching to get you from point A to B to help you succeed at higher levels and accelerate your success– you can’t get it just from videos on the net.


Best Quote: "Don't live for a day in the future that may never arrive..."


Steve's Misfit 3:

  1. Get the guidance that you need and be willing to invest in it such as a coaching program or mastermind, but it can also be buying an hour of someone’s time. Be creative.
  2. Be willing to step out of your comfort zone and go to where the people are you need to be able to connect with. Look for a more intimate setting to do so as you can make meaningful connections.
  3. Figure you how o work fun into the equation. You hear you should enjoy the journey, but many don’t take the time to enjoy it. Do it! Don’t live for a day in the future that may never arrive.
Jan 31, 2018

This week’s Misfit Entrepreneur is Akshay Nanavati. Akshay is a former Marine Corps veteran, adventurer, speaker, and author of the best-selling book Fearvana: The Revolutionary Science of How to Turn Fear into Health, Wealth, and Happiness.

The Dalai Lama said, “Fearvana inspires us to look beyond our own agonizing experiences and find the positive side of our lives..”

Through his work, Akshay has been featured on CNN, Fast Company, INC, Entrepreneur, Forbes, and almost all of the major news outlets.

Simply put, Akshay has faced and stood down fear and learned how to bend it to his will. Fear is something everyone faces and struggles with in some form or fashion, and for some time I have wanted to do a show where we dive deeply into facing our fears and overcoming them. When I met Akshay, I knew he was the guy to do it!

Akshay and the Fearvana movement really started in high school. He wasted a year of his life with drugs and lost two friends. It was the movie “Black Hawk Down” that triggered to get out of his selfish, meaningless life he was in. He went to join the Marines, but it too a year and half to get in because of blood disorder he has. He had to fight his way in and once in he started to learn how to push himself and started to explore other ways to do it. Outdoor extreme sports became his playground.

He was then sent to Iraq where his job was to clear IEDs. When he returned, he had trouble and was diagnosed with PTSD. He started drinking and go to the brink of suicide.

When he hit that low, he knew he had to change and learn to heal himself and learn to lead a meaningful life. He began to study it and learned how to manage and control his fear and harness it to his advantage. Fearvana and the business he has built around it came from this journey.

What is the one thing people should know about fear and how to use it to their advantage? T

he single most important thing is that it is not a negative emotion. The reality is that we just have emotions – it is us who choose whether to view them as negative or not. You must build a positive relationship to suffering. If you can, you can do anything in life.

At the 7 min mark, Akshay answers the question, “What is it about fear that paralyzes people and makes us react the way we do to fear? What do we actually have to overcome?”

You do not want to miss his answer…

  • It happens from amygdala hijack.
  • Like anything, you have to train yourself and you have to put yourself in high stress environments to create “stress inoculation.”
  • Once you get comfortable with that feeling and can use it to your advantage
  • Fear releases very beneficial chemicals that are essential to success – adrenaline, dopamine, and others.

How does somebody recondition themselves to use fear to their advantage?

  • Self-awareness is the key.
  • “Man is a machine, but a very peculiar machine. He is machine that with the right circumstances and treatment can know that he is a machine, and by fully realizing this, he can find the ways to cease to being a machine.”
  • What that means is that simply by acknowledging that we don’t control most of what happens in our brain – it’s all a part of our subconscious, we can then stop fighting the subconscious, but instead embrace it and decide what we do with it.

At the 10 min mark, Akshay gives a great example of this with his PTSD and how he used this process to overcome it.

“There is no such thing as irrational fear…”

Does fear masquerade itself as other things in our lives?

  • It often shows up in other forms such as stress and anxiety.
  • It is normal to feel stress, especially when you are working hard for something
  • Book: The Upside of Stress

“The biggest thing that separates peak performers is that they don’t stress over stress”

  • It is a good thing to label our emotions

Take us through the Fearvana process?

5 steps: The Unstoppable Warrior Formula

  1. Label and Language. Label your emotions – really noticing and calling it out. “I’m feeling fear.” “I’m feeling stress.” Then shift your body language to one of confidence and strength.
  2. Meaning. What is the meaning? Why am I feeling this? (bringing consciousness)
  3. Not me. This is where you take control and say, “it’s not me, it’s my brain.” This is how we stop ourselves from assigning our identity to our emotions.
  4. Opt for a new meaning. Change the meaning to what you want it to be.
  5. Purposeful action. Take consistent action toward rewiring your brain to what you want it to be. Lastly, do pre-emptive strikes. Plan ahead and prepare for situations where you know fear is possible. Know what you are going to do with it.

At the 18 min mark, we discuss how to get people to the action step quickly. Why is there a disconnect from when we recognize things to actually acting on them? Akshay gives a number of examples and what to do.

One key is to work your way up the ladder of fear. Put yourself in incremental levels fear as you progress. What has surprised you to most in all of your work with fear?

How much everyone is suffering In their own way. We tend to think we are the exception and the “odd one out,” when in reality we all are suffering in some way. People should take comfort in that. Even the people you look up to have their own levels of suffering, but there is a gift in that when we learn to find it and embrace it.

At the 25 min mark, Akshay talks about the post fear process.

What is the most important habit and how do you break any habit at will?

  • The most important habit is the habit of willpower
  • Willpower is engaging your consciousness. It is planning ahead for the suffering you know is coming
  • Willpower makes you comfortable with you fear
  • Build systems to help maintain your willpower because you will drain it throughout the day with the decisions you make.
  • Use the systems to conserve your willpower for when you need it most
  • Use checklists – they keep you from having to think about things so you can act
  • This allows to channel and condition any habit any time you need it
  • In summary, create systems for everything that allow you to save and use your willpower when you need it most.

At the 31 minute mark, Akshay talks about his routines and how he sets them up.

  • Uses the “ToDoist” app
  • Works in chunks
  • Morning and evening routines 
  • Reading adventure stories
  • Prayer

There has to be something you are truly afraid of??

  • Having children
  • Where he wants to take Fearvana because he doesn’t know how he will really get there

What have you learned in becoming an entrepreneur that is important to share?

  • Clarity in some form is so important
  • Give value first
  • Being patient with the process

Other resources you used to develop the Fearvana Philosophy?

  • Man’s Search for Meaning by Victor Frankel
  • Triggers by Marshall Goldsmith
  • Peak by Anders Erickson


Best Quote: “The balance of action and awareness is ultimately how all growth happens…”


Akshay's Misfit 3:

  1. Getting immense clarity on your why, you what, and your how and then taking consistent action, and adapting along the way
  2. Build systems that help you to conserve willpower for when you need it most and plan and track everything you can
  3. The most important skill you need to succeed in anything is building the positive relationship to suffering. If you can suffer well, you can handle anything that life throws at you.
Jan 24, 2018

Hello Misfit Nation! Welcome to another edition of "Lessons for Hannah!" In November of 2016, we introduced a new format that we are putting alongside our regular episodes called “Lessons for Hannah.” Hannah is my daughter and one of the main inspirations for the Misfit Entrepreneur. I wanted to have a place where she could go and learn from her daddy and his Misfit friends throughout her life….even after I am gone. If you haven’t listened to the first episode of "Lessons for Hannah," I urge you to as it gives some more background and tells the amazing story of how Hannah came to be in our lives.

"Lessons for Hannah" are short, very useful, and sometimes comical lessons, that I have learned which I want to share with you and give to Hannah to help in your lives. Because I want Hannah to have these for her life, I’m going to speak as though I am talking directly to her. These episodes are a lot of fun and if you think there is a lesson that we should include in these episodes, please don’t hesitate to send it over to us at We’d love to share it.

This week’s Lesson for Hannah


I want to speak to you about something that I am extremely passionate about. It is one of the biggest habits of the highest achievers throughout history. And thankfully, I found it at an early age. I hope you will do the same.

I’m talking about self-education and lifelong learning. I’m not talking about school. You are going to school, or maybe even by the time you listen to this will have gone to school and maybe even college.

Here is what I want you to know about traditional school…and it’s somewhat controversial. First, it’s not enough. Going to school will give you a great base of subjects and concepts for you to build on the rest of your life, but it is only the beginning. Your real education will begin when you decide to self-educate or get into the real world. And that brings me to my second point which is that going to school and college doesn’t adequately prepare you for the real world you are going to step into. In fact, they teach you a lot of things and condition you to the opposite of what works in the real world.

Let me give you an example. In traditional school, if you are taking a test and you lean over to your friend next to you asking them for help or thoughts on one of the questions on the test – the school will tell you that is cheating and punish you for it. That is not how to real world works. In the real world, it is the opposite – you get the best and brightest you can find in a room together and have them figure out the best solution and answer to things….and when they do and it generates the desired results – you reward them.

Don’t get me wrong, going to school will teach you a tremendous number of things, one of the most important learning to read. Once you learn to read, it not only opens a whole new world but a whole new world of possibility to you. Sadly, most take this for granted and never grow beyond their traditional schooling.

And that is the difference between the majority of the highly successful and everyone else. They realize the importance of self-educating and continuous learning and growing. One of my favorite quotes is from an old personal growth expert (well, old to you) named Jim Rohn where he said, “Successful people have libraries. The rest have big screen TVs.” Such a major distinction.

But, here is my best advice for you on your learning journey. Don’t take what you read or learn for granted, on your own or in school. Question it with boldness, seek the truth, challenge yourself and assumptions you make. And I will caution you that this will get you into trouble at times. No one likes it when the status quo is questioned, especially in traditional school. But, if we didn’t have people that challenged the conventional norms and ways of thinking, we would have 90% of the things we take for granted in this world. Most of the major innovation comes from directly challenging what society tell us is how things should be. Just know that mommy and I will always have your back – so question away!

There are a lot of books out there, especially when it comes to history, that don’t tell the truth or leave out very important details and this is why reading multiple sources on a topic is so important. You will start to notice patterns and things that are consistent that you can test and prove out. And I think that is probably one of greatest parts of lifelong learning – you can always surprise yourself and have breakthroughs in all areas of your life.

In the show notes of this episode, I have put some of my favorite books for you to check out, when you are ready. Never stop learning, growing, questioning, challenging, and searching….

I love you, Daddy.

Selected Book Recommendations (Hannah, just ask me for others as there are too many to put here!):

The Holy Bible - The greatest story ever told and a book that sets the basis for almost every lesson you can learn for life and success. Whether, you believe in God (which I do) or not, the wisdom in the Bible is timeless...and endless.

The Richest Man in Babylon - A parable that teaches the bedrock of sound wealth. Ironically, you will find much of the same lessons in the Bible

How to Win Friends and Influence People - Timeless book on how to engage, motivate, and work with others

The 5000 Year Leap - I consider this the beginners guide to understanding the principles that founded the United States of America and that created the Constitution, a document that after many years of study, I have come to believe is one of the greatest creations of mankind.

Think and Grow Rich - Great book. Compiles much of the wisdom from history and the Bible for how to create wealth and achieve your dreams. Another easier one to read that covers a lot of the same things is Secrets of the Millionaire Mind (this book gave me a lot of epiphanies when I read it at 21)

Rich Dad, Poor Dad - Hannah, I will have taught you the concepts this book shares by the time you are old enough to read it, but it is a must read at some point. Talk about questioning the status quo and introducing you to entrepreneurship - this is a good one

The 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership - Timeless lessons on leading yourself and others

The Ten Year Career - Ok, I know it is a little self-serving to put my book in here....but honey, it is pretty good and will give you a good idea of many of the things I've learned and used to build the life we have. :)

There are so many amazing books out there. My best advice is to read a broad range from the classics, to history to personal growth. In fact, here is a list of the classics that I found that is really good...

Jan 17, 2018

This week’s Misfit Entrepreneur is Nischal Shetty. Nischal is the founder of one of my favorite social media management tools, Crowdfire. Crowdfire is a social media manager that helps your manage across all social accounts, grow your impact, audience, and message, and helps you to engage more fully with your tribe.

Millions of people and companies use Crowdfire for their social media growth and engagement.

Nischal not only founded Crowdfire, but physically built it, boostrapped it to its first million in revenue, and took the service from 0 to over 15 million users without spending any money on marketing or advertising. In fact, he developed a unique marketing strategy called ETC to achieve this, which is just one of the things I want him to share with you today. For his efforts, not only does he have a great company to show for it, but has also won a number of awards, including being chosen as a Forbes 30 under 30. I am really excited for you to learn from him.

Twitter @NischalShetty

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Nischal says he is an “accidental entrepreneur.” He was an engineer that wanted to create some extra money, so he created a blog because he had heard you could make money doing it. After blogging every day for a month, he realized that “just blogging” doesn’t guarantee success. So he started researching and spending time learning how to market his blog and get his message out. That lead to him building the first version of Crowdfire. He used that to grow his blog and eventually put it out there for others to use and was amazed at how many people used it.

He then bootstrapped it for the next year and then quit his job to go full time. That was 6 years ago and Crowdfire had about 500,000 users. Now it has over 15 million users and employs 45 people.

Nischal credits his entrepreneurial streak to his father – a restauranteur, but it was never forefront until much later. The building blocks were always there, but it took him some time to realize it.

What is the most important thing you’ve learned about yourself in your journey?

  • The power of focus. You have to focus intently on your vision and your goal and stay disciplined and consistent with it.

At the 7:20 mark, Nischal and I discuss his way of thinking like a contrarian and turning whole business models upside down.

  • You can learn from what is out there, but ask yourself what has been done that has never been done before
  • The best way is the chart your own path
  • To do that, you have to think completely different than anyone else in your market

Lessons learned from bootstrapping Crowdfire to its first million?

  • As mentioned, Nischal started out by giving Crowdfire away free to users because he wanted to help people in the same way he had needed help with his blog
  • After about 6 months of it taking off, he started to have some serious costs for servers, etc. so he kept a free version, but charged for more advanced features – but made it no obligation to the users.
    • He basically asked for their help in paying to keep it going
    • The users responded overwhelmingly
  • This may sound like common sense, but if you are going to bootstrap a business, make sure you have a good idea and plan for how it can and will be monetized before beginning. Many people don’t think about that until after creating the business and product.
  • Charging early is better than doing it than later on. Charging early on (in the 1st 6 months) helped Crowdfire grow and gain traction tremendously.

Thoughts on creating community?

  • The best way to do this is when the founder is part of the audience and a user going through what the client go through.
  • It is hard to understand the pain points and help people when you haven’t experienced them yourself.
  • When the founder is a part of the community and can relate, emphasize, and show they have been in the trenches alongside the people using the product, people relate to them and it is easy to build a community around your business.

What does it take to build a successful company?

  • There is no formula
  • Every time you think you know what it takes, it seems like the rules change
  • There some basics that are critical: 
    • The people you bring with you on your journey are so important. You cannot do it alone and you need people just as passionate as you to help you solve the problems
    • Always think from the user/client perspective, then think about the money
    • Be mission driven

Thoughts on building a company culture?

  • First and foremost, when you hire, it is not just about skillset, but cultural fit – to be a good fit, do they understand the users and are they a user or someone who could be a user and truly sees the benefit in the product/solution
  • No matter what rules you have in the company, they first apply to you as the founder. Your actions are always watched.
  • Be a coach for your employees and help them grow – don’t’ just tell them what to do.

At the 21 min mark, Nischal discusses the ETC strategy and how Crowdfire used it to go from 0 to 15 million users with no marketing money spent.

  • When you start out and promote your new product, you will get coverage on different mediums which leads to getting some initial clients
  • One critical item to have with your product in the beginning is to have an easy way for your early adopters and easy way to share your product with others

ETC stands for Ego, Temptation, and Curiosity

  • When marketing your product your goal is to tap into one or all of these for users to share your product
  • Nischal gives many examples of this
    • When Gmail first launched, the only way you could join Gmail is if you were invited by a Gmail user, a friend. Gmail played on the Ego aspect of their users giving them the power to invite users
    • Dropbox used Temptation really well. When they launched, they “Tempted users” to get more storage by giving them the bonus if they shared Dropbox with their friends and encouraged them to sign up.
    • Crowdfire used Curiosity. They created a feature that allowed people to see who their unfollowers were. They gave users a simple way to tweet about it and say “I found my unfollowers on Crowdfire” because at the time, the capability did not exist and having this feature created a lot of first adopters because of their curiosity.

What trends are changing in social media? What’s working?

  • Social media has come a full circle
  • Personal communication is coming back instead of broadcasting
  • One on one is working
  • Start having personal connections meaning reply and have discussions with people that interact with you on your social media
  • The next big change is where blockchain will be used in marketing and social media – it is something to really pay attention to.
  • At the 33 min mark, Nischal gives example of how he things Blockchain will impact marketing and social.


Best quote: “Everything good or bad in a company starts with the founders...”


Nischal's Misfit 3:

  1. Distinguish between urgent work and important work. Do the item that are urgent and important first, always.
  2. When it comes to hiring, first play the part. Do the position(s) for some time and then you will know the person you want to hire.
  3. Find the right advisors. Those that have done what you are trying to do. Be smart and clear on the things you want to learn from them and make sure they have done those things before and succeeded in them.
Jan 10, 2018

This week’s Misfit Entrepreneur is Michelle Parisa Wazek – also known as Michele PW. Michele is the copywriter to the stars. She has worked with everyone from Brian Tracy to Lisa Sasevich and over the last 8 years, her “love based” copy and marketing philosophy has sold nearly $50 million dollars in products and services.

Michele is a best-selling author many times over, has appeared across countless media, and works with hundreds of clients throughout the world helping them to, as she says, “Build a business your love that loves you back.”

But like many successful entrepreneurs, she does things differently and approaches her craft with a completely different view than the norm. She does it by employing love. When I first met Michele, I was incredibly intrigued with this approach, especially after hearing that it continues to generate millions of dollars annually. So, I asked her to come on the show and share her biggest secrets to help you find more success in your business.

Podcast: Love Based Money

Everything all started for Michele when she was 3 and taught herself to read to because she wanted to write books. Being a writer has been a driving influence throughout her life. When she got to college, she discovered “direct response” copywriting. She helps people sell one to many through her copywriting.

Connecting with people is one of the most critical things for businesses today – What is the most important fundamental thing people need to do to genuinely connect?

  • Being genuine is the key to connecting
  • The online marketing industry is having a “come to Jesus moment” as it is turning into a mature niche
  • A lot of people are not sure what to do
  • What is working is getting back to the basics and not just throwing a bunch at fancy marketing, but really building relationships with people

How does someone know they are hitting the mark? What are the people that are “doing well”…doing well?

  • Your insides must match your outsides – you have to be able to walk the walk
  • Be committed to your highest purpose and not attached to the results
  • True honesty – be honest about where you are at
  • Authenticity, Authenticity. Authenticity
  • Show up and be a master of your craft

At the 11-min mark, Michele answers the question, “What is Love-Based Copywriting?” and is so important to listen to what she says!

  • Loved based copywriting is persuading someone to take action like anything else, but it is the how.
  • In order to get someone to take action, you must tap into their emotion
  • Emotions are love or fear-based – most copywriting/messaging focuses on fear

“Don’t build your business on a foundation of fear…”

  • Market and come from a place of higher power is the foundation of love-based copywriting. When you come from love instead of fear you build better connections and a better business.
  • Focus on what ignites and inspires people – what inspires you? What would make you want to act? Think in those terms…

At the 15:30 mark, Michele gives examples of what she has done with clients.

  • Love-based is about educating and stepping back and let the client make the choice...stand in your power
  • There is a correct way to respectfully acknowledge your prospects pain. Pain helps you grow emotionally and spiritually.
    • Don’t turn pain into suffering with focused on worry or anger in your marketing
    • Acknowledge the pain is there, but come from a mindset that you are committed to everyone getting what they want, you are not attached, and you don’t have to rescue – stand in your power.

Copywriting is the same as salesmanship in print – how would you act if you were in front of someone looking in their eyes?

At the 22 min mark, Michele give some great advice on selling. Pay attention where she talks about how clients and not you need to rescue themselves.

Formula for a successful copywriting campaign?

  • Michelle has a love-based copy template that is available for free on her website, but gives the steps
  • Step one: Knowing who your ideal client is. You must know them like you know your best friend. You know their pain and are passionate about truly helping them. Be committed to get the client’s needs met, but not attached to the outcome.
  • Step 2: The correct use of pain – What is keeping them up at night? How is your product and service going to help?
  • Step 3: Coming from a mindset of abundance and being committed, but not attached. People will sense if you are coming from fear and you won’t be as successful.

Best ways to get feedback?

  • Open-ended surveys – you want their words
  • Facebook groups allow for good research

Common mistakes made in copywriting?

  • Being too general and not specific
  • When you are too generic, your ideal prospects are not going to see you
  • People are looking for specialists to help them and not generalists

Tips for generating leads?

  • It’s how you “decorate the door”
  • You want to address the perceived problem – even if it may be the wrong one.
  • Michelle gives a great example on this at the 41 min mark
  • Take stock of all the things that make up the perceived problem and how they relate. Be specific and call them out in your opt-in pages

Biggest failure?

Michelle did not use “loved-based” copy in the beginning, she did more fear-based

She would follow what clients wanted even if it made her uncomfortable

Recommended tools?

  • Infusionsoft
  • Clickfunnels
  • Michelle’s advice is to find the ones that work best for you, but don’t get to attached to the bells and whistles – but your ability focus on being authentic and staying in tune with yourself with them.

Best Quote: “Don’t build your business on a foundation of fear…”

Michele's Misfit 3:

  • Be open to sitting and feeling your emotions.
  • Sit and breath into the emotion, feel it, let it move through you and you can break it.
  • Meditation is a very useful way to help control your emotions Create a ritual for when you do things like having a sales call or writing copy – take some time to focus on your vision and tap into your anchor.
Jan 3, 2018

This week’s Misfit Entrepreneur is JV Crum III. JV probably needs no introduction. He is the best-selling author of the Conscious Millionaire and founder of the #1 rated podcast of the same name that has over 12 million listeners in almost 200 countries. JV became a self-made entrepreneur millionaire in his early 20’s. Aside from being a best-selling author and entrepreneur, he is a keynote speaker, certified business coach, attorney, and CEO of the Conscious Millionaire Institute, a global entrepreneur business coaching, training, and wealth product business.

It didn’t start out like this for JV. Like many kids he grew up with a lot of financial uncertainty, he dreamed of a different life. He decided early on to become a millionaire.

By the age of twenty-five, he had realized that dream and celebrated by purchasing a new luxury home on the water and his first Mercedes. He had the “American Dream”.

Life was great, except for one thing. J V quickly realized that his childhood dream had not included the truly important parts of life, such as feeling a deep sense of purpose and fulfillment. Although he had all the trappings of wealth and success on the outside, he felt empty inside.

This awareness led him to two decades of searching, which included reading extensively in the areas of both human potential and spirituality and it is the lessons from this journey and what has happened since that I have him to share with you in this interview.

Free Gift: 3 Day Challenge Rapid Growth Formula with JV and Copy of the Book

JV grew up poor out in a little country town. He grew up swimming and fishing with a cane pole because he could not afford a real fishing rod. He started his first business at 4 years old selling juice on the corner to help his family out.

One day, he asked the question, “What is the solution to his family not having money?” his answer to himself was that he was going to be a millionaire. His mother told him not to tell anyone. His mother had the mindset that very wealthy people had done something wrong to get it and didn’t want him to grow up doing wrong. Nevertheless, he kept this goal and by his early 20’s had done it. He made his first million at 25 years old. But, soon after he started to realize that something was missing and went on a journey to find it. He had the money, had the things – but wasn’t happy. There was something more. He sold his companies and began a focus on doing something greater and having an impact. He lived in a monastery, went to places to do deep work on himself, and would bare his soul to the groups he worked with.

He was told he had anger and he denied it for a while before finally working through it.

At the 10 min mark, JV talks about how he arrived at doing something that really matters.

  • The idea of “conscious millionaire” came to him while sitting in a hot tub! It took constant seeking for years only to find it there
  • As JV says, it all came because he was seeking to find and wanting to do something with his life that truly matters

What is the most surprising thing you’ve learned about life and yourself? What truly matters?

  • “If you miss your real journey, you miss your real life”
  • Every one of us had an authentic journey designed for us that you are building moment to moment.
  • When you are authentic – the path will make itself clear. It will reveal itself for you
  • The biggest and best answers come when you are authentic are open to the possibilities of the world around you.

At the 17 min mark, JV answers the question, “What does it mean to be conscious?”

There are 3 definitions:


  • Level 1 is psychological – understanding the personal and business environment around you
  • Level 2 is awareness in the present moment. Simply being instead of doing.


  • Seeing a vision of a better future and seeing something that is possible in the future
  • Most would think that we entrepreneurs are crazy in that we create a vision that does not exist and then go make it manifest in real life.


  • Not only being successful but being conscious of how we can have a true impact for the greater good in doing so.

Pay special attention at the 23 Minute mark as JV discusses the 7 Habits of the Conscious Millionaire and the process of habits. This may be the most important part of the interview.

The 7 Habits Are:

  1. Conscious
  2. Focus
  3. Action
  4. Do What’s Right
  5. Leverage Every Day
  6. Seek Opportunities
  7. Lifelong Learning

What is your formula for building wealth?

JV uses a Rapid Growth Formula (he shares the first two that are foundational)

  • Get crystal clear on what you are passionate about, what your purpose is, and who you want to work with – your high impact vision

Think of your purpose as a gold coin that has one side that has your purpose and then on the back says the secret The secret to finding your purpose is to find out what the difference is that you really want to be making. Take some time to discover this and be very specific.

Once you have this, then look at the skills that come to you so easily you can do them in your sleep. What are naturally good at? Knowing what you do really, well will help you know where to fill gaps.

  • Mindset and getting into peak state – this comes from having clearly stated goals, especially your 1 Mission Critical Goal (the most important one of all)

Breaking Down Conscious, Focus, Action:

Conscious – 3 questions to ask

  1. What/Why? What is number 1 priority for you to accomplish in the next 30 days and why? Imagine if you asked yourself this question at the beginning of each month
  2. Who do you need on your team to accomplish that goal?
  3. How will you get there? Sketch out 3 different paths of how you will get there…

Focus – 3 ways that you need to be focused

  1. Focus your mind – Are you laser focused and clear on what you want?
  2. Focus your heart – Do you have your whole heart in it? Are you all in?
  3. Body Focus – Are you taking care of your body (good sleep, eating, exercise)


  • Have a clear, measurable outcome for 30 days out and write down the major steps needed to get there
  • List those steps in the order they need to occur (you will find things you forgot and fill in the gaps)
  • Is there anything that needs to happen internally or externally

Best Quote: “Normal people are busy fitting in where we are busy redefining.”

JV's Misfit 3:

  1. If you miss your real journey, you miss your real life.
  2. How is your life contributing to the evolution of human consciousness?
  3. Challenge yourself to build a huge vision of what you really want to accomplish with your life. Use the Conscious, Focus, Action formula to help you.
Dec 27, 2017

Misfit Nation! Welcome to the Misfit Entrepreneur 2017 year in review where each year I attempt to boil down all of the incredible, useful information, strategies, and tips that our guests have given on the show into less than one hour for you…with a few surprises thrown in.

It’s impossible for me to go over every single best piece of advice from these amazing people and that is why I urge you to take some time and go through the Misfit Archives to see which episodes resonate most with you. In doing this episode, my goal is to spur ideas – to give you a lightning strike that propels you down a path of action to better improve yourself, your life, and your business or career in 2018!

But, before listening, I want to tell you something. I want to say “Thank YOU.” Thank you for listening. Thank you for your support of the show and thank you for sharing our message. Without you and the amazing feedback members of this audience give me every week, it would not be half of what it is. Because of you, in just over a year, this show has reached hundreds of thousands of people in over 70 countries. I am truly humbled and in awe of what we’ve done together and I am excited about having an even bigger impact with your help in 2018.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, and I hope you enjoy this episode as much as I did creating it for you!

Dec 20, 2017

This week’s Misfit Entrepreneur is Thom Singer. Thom is the host of the Cool Things Entrepreneurs Do Podcast, a renowned professional keynote speaker, and MC, and is a 12-time author of books on everything from business relationships to presentation skills.

Thom is one of only a few in the world, who is a certified speaking professional or CSP. He has spoken to audiences such as Fortune 500 companies, global organizations, and everything in-between and has presented to over 600 audiences in his career.

As Thom says, “in today’s distracted business environment, there is a disconnect between social media likes, links, shares, and follows – and real meaningful business connections. My work centers around helping people get back to the basics of relationships that lead to better opportunities, more sales, and realizing their true potential.” The ability to speak clearly, effectively, and deliver a message is one of the most important skills you can have in life and I’ve brought Thom on today to give you his best advice on how to set yourself up for success.

Thom spent over 20 years in corporate America working for Fortune 500 companies, law firms, and even startup ventures doing sales, marketing, and business development. As he says, he always felt like his ladder was against the wrong wall. He did well, but he felt something was missing. Thom would go to different conferences and see speakers and started to see an opportunity for himself. Thom joined Toastmasters and had a knack for things. He even placed in the Top 18 in the world for their global speaking contest (out of 20,000).

He started using his speaking ability to create educational forums and classes for the law firm he worked for at the time. Thom loved teaching through speaking and started travel doing his speaking and teachings. It was during the 2008 downturn that he made his move and now is a full time speaker and MC and is much happier having his “ladder against the right wall.”

How does someone overcome the fear of public speaking?

  • Learning to clearly communicate is one of the greatest things you can do for your career
  • One of the best ways to overcome fear is to join Toastmasters which will give a warm environment to practice and get better. It will also give you confidence.
  • You must practice – it takes many professional speeches to make it “2nd nature” and to feel comfortable with all of the twists and turns that can happen while on stage. The magic number is 300 speeches.
  • You don’t have to prove you are the smartest one in the room. If you are speaking, the audience is on your side and wants you to do well. You automatically have the credibility.
  • You cannot under any circumstances “wing it.”

One other tip…

Create “Speaker’s College” in your mind. It’s free to enroll. Every time you see anyone give a speech, remind yourself that they are the professor and you are the student. Watch for what you like, what you don’t – figure out what resonates and learn from them. Ultimately, you will do in your own way, but it will help you figure out what your style is. And then every time you give a speech, your goal is to get a little bit better. And…SMILE!

At the 18 min mark, Thom talks about what makes a great speech?

There is no “true outline”

  • A speaker is not a commodity item, everyone is unique
  • A great speech has to do with how you tell a story
    • The human brain is wired for story
  • It has to be a unique story – something you have experienced or someone you know has experienced
  • Don’t tell “canned” stories that other speakers are telling
  • You need to tell stories that relate to your experiences and tie them back to usable content and tell it in a way that inspires – you will win over your audience.

Speaking Do’s and Don’ts?

  • Don’t get up and recite your own bio just after the MC or announcer gave your bio!
    • You are already established as an expert.
  • The most valuable real estate is the first 3-5 minutes. You only have a short time in which people will make a decision about you. Don’t waste it.
  • Instead, have a story that makes a point of where you are going to take them…
    • Think of this like your “opening ceremony” where everybody watches and then goes their separate ways – that is your first 3-5 mins.
    • The same thing is true for your “closing ceremony” – your last 3-5 mins must be spectacular as well.

Great speakers to study and learn from?

  • Politicians are one group (whether you like them or not you can learn)
    • Ronald Reagan was a great storyteller
    • Bill Clinton was very captivating
    • “Candidate” Barrack Obama was mesmerizing and captivating
    • Sarah Palin knows how to give a presentation (Thom uses the teleprompter example of it failing and her continuing on without fail just riffing)
  • Mark Scharenbroich author of “Nice Bike”
    • He is a legend in the speaking business and weaves story in better than anyone

What advice do you have for speakers on how to get clients and engagements?

  • If you want to have a career as a speaker, you need to hang out with other speakers. How many speaker friends do you have?
    • Joining speaker groups or associations and networking is important
  • You have to be really good on stage. You have to care about the craft and giving the audience an experience.
  • Realize that you are taking the audience on a journey
  • If you can do the above, you’ll get offers to speak – word of mouth is one of, if not the best ways to get engagements.
  • Don’t be afraid to speak for free before you speak for a fee. It helps you hone the craft

At the 40 min mark, Thom talks about his biggest challenge as an entrepreneur – overcoming the plateau.

Most unique thing you’ve learned from interview so many entrepreneurs on your Cool Things Entrepreneurs Do Podcast?

Entrepreneurs are more than wanting to make money, they want to give back and serve the greater good.


Best Quote: “It’s up to you to bridge your gaps. There is no substitute for experience and experience will help you get better and better.”


Thom's Misfit 3:

  1. Be slow to anger and fast forgive. Give people the benefit of the doubt – unless they are truly evil.
  2. All opportunities in life come from people. Be open, say hello, and choose the people instead of the gadget. Connect!
  3. Don’t be jealous of your competition. Turn your competition into your professors. Success leaves clues – follow them.
Dec 13, 2017

This week’s Misfit Entrepreneur is Scott Lopez. Scott has an interesting background. He is a former Marine Corps fighter pilot turned Investment banker who works with early stage tech companies that need financing. He helps to get investments typically in the range of $1 million to $100 hundred million…oh, and on top of that, he is a world champion in Brazilian Ju-jitsu and the host of his own podcast, the Disruptive Investor Radio show which highlights disruptive technology companies that could potentially change the world, as well as the professional investors that invest in those companies.

Scott has a unique perspective on what is on the cutting edge of tech and what investors are looking for in an investment pitch, so I wanted to have him on to share this with you for you to know which technology to look out for - as well as what you can do to wow investors if you are pitching your startup or company.

Scott started from humble beginnings as a welfare kid. He didn’t have much growing up. He moved around a lot. He admits he had some issues with self-esteem. What helped him overcome this was joining the Marines. He spent 10 years in the Marine Corp as a fighter pilot and says that this helped him to find who he was and gain confidence in himself.

He then went on to get his MBA and worked with Starz and Charter Communications. He opened up a business in health care. Scott also started speaking and consulting. Because of his background in healthcare and success, he was able to start in investing in companies, such as medical device and others. This lead him to working with a hedge fund and ultimately to investment banking.

What have you learned about how to overcome obstacles and become mentally tough?

Your perspectives, beliefs, and consciousness (how you see yourself and your interactions with others) all impact who you are and your ability to succeed in life. Scott says that he as fortunate to attract great mentors into his life. He learned about modeling and the fact that “success leaves clues” from Brian Tracy. Simply put, if you want to do something or learn something, you can find someone either in person, a book, video, or any other medium doing it and learn from them.

Scott recommends the book, “Psychological Foundations of Success by Steve J. Krauss” that is a scientific process of mapping out a system to succeed.

What is the system/process?

5 Principles:

  1. Vision: Clarifying what you really want from life
  2. Strategy: Taking action and turning lofty ambitions into consistent actions
  3. Belief: Minimizing FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt)
  4. Persistence: Drive and determination
  5. Learning: Learning from mistakes and truly making course corrections in life

Other advice to overcome and succeed in life?

  • Don’t let “Best” get in the way of “good enough” when it comes to starting on your dreams. Nothing needs to be perfect. Don’t be stopped by the “it has to be perfect” curse.
  • Sometimes you just gotta go for it and ready, fire, aim, and course correct from there

How do you get rich?

If there is a problem, someone is going to find a solution and the bigger the problem, the bigger the opportunity – and money you can make.

What trends are important in technology that we should be watching?

  • More disruption is happening today than at any other time AI/Machine learning is here and growing and we are still trying to figure out whether it will be bad or good.
    • AI/Machine learning can really help figure out the patterns and usefulness out of pebibytes of unstructured data which is a huge benefit
  • Cryptocurrency – more importantly, the use of blockchain as a whole is game-changing
  • Nano-tech
  • Cannabis
  • Augmented Reality
  • Autonomous vehicles

At the 21 min mark, Scott talks about a good strategy to decide if your idea will work before you ever start a company and then how to go forward with an exit strategy already in place.

At the 27 min mark, Scott discusses the investor side of things such as how investors and capital groups choose to invest and what you should know if you plan to seek investment or sale of your own business or startup.

  • Financing is typically either debt (loan) or equity or even a combination of both
  • Two questions any potential investor should ask an entrepreneur (and for entrepreneurs – two questions you should have a ready answer for)
    • How much have you raised to date?
    • What have you done with it?
    • The answers to these question will give you 90% of what you need to know about the potential investment.
  • Results rule – if you can prove that you can execute with the money you have or money you’ve received. That helps to prove you are worth investing in.
  • Most investors are looking for at least 3x return on investment on their money.

Anything else we should know about the tech space?

  • No matter who you are or where you are, stay up to date and pay attention
  • There are so many opportunities happening every day. Scott uses “E-sports” as an example

What have you learned in all your work with Jujitsu and being a Marine Corps fighter pilot that translates well to entrepreneurship?

  • Entrepreneurship is a never-ending journey that is always evolving
  • You have to learn to make adjustments to adverse situations
  • You have to keep calm under pressure because you will always face some sort of adversity
  • It is not about getting “tapped out” or losing, but constantly improving and getting incrementally better every day.
  • It is about performance and results and those come as you incrementally get better Anticipate challenges, prepare, and be ready when they arise
  • Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good, but you have to put yourself in a position to capitalize when opportunities arise – which happens when you are prepared.
  • Don’t be afraid to act – ask yourself “Am I ready when my moment comes…”

Advice for young or new entrepreneurs?

  • Locate yourself in the area that has the resources, contacts, environment, and ecosystem that will support what you are trying to accomplish
  • Building your network strategically is so important. Be smart, but make the connections you know you need.
  • Be where the action is.


Best Quote: “Don’t let “Best” get in the way of “good enough” when it comes to starting on your dreams.”


Scott's Misfit 3:

  1. Know the two questions as either an investor or entrepreneur: How much have you raised to date? What did you do with it?
  2. We compete in life to improve, not to prove. It is a continuous journey.
  3. Remember the success formula and its 5 principles: Vision, Strategy, Belief, Persistence, Learning
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